Lem Bingley

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November 28, 2007

More on domain dropcatching...

Edwin Hayward of MemorableDomains.co.uk really doesn’t like me comparing domainers with ticket touts. “Until you can take a step back and acknowledge the total legitimacy of the domain resale business on a par with any other line of business, the rest of the discussion is fruitless,” he says. “If you're willing to recast the debate as being purely about the current domain deletion/drop/re-registration system, then that's another matter.”

I’ll happily do exactly as Hayward asks. Let me state very clearly that domaining is totally above board. Nominet thinks so. And I happen to have a few domains for sale myself. So yes, it’s the current cancellation and re-registration process that I believe needs attention, not the business of trading domains in general.

However, I’m not going to step back from the comparison with ticket touts.

“All you had to do to have a reasonable chance - as much as most other people - at a given [suspended] domain was to book it with a drop catcher,” Hayward explains “There are anywhere between half a dozen and a dozen public-facing drop catchers.”

Or in other words, if I’d paid a tout I might have got a ticket.

“What you have to realise,” Hayward adds, “is that beyond the folks who may be exploiting a loophole in the Nominet system (a very selective bit of quoting, in your follow-up post) there are many who play for high stakes totally legitimately, and have invested five figures or more to develop and constantly refine their own drop-catching software, host at the fastest possible servers with the least number of network hops to Nominet, etc. Of course they're going to do better than the average person, just like in any other undertaking where someone is approaching it from scratch and trying to compete against others who do it full-time for a living (competitive sports are a great example).”

Ticket touts, who profit from the arbitrage on a scarce resource just like domainers, also often apply a dedicated, hard-work ethic to their endeavour. As a result they often secure tickets ahead of ordinary punters and proceed to sell them on at whatever the market will bear. So I can't really see where the analogy breaks down. Other than the fact that Nominet’s rules don’t forbid it, whereas most ticket-issuing venues insist that their tickets aren’t transferable. And while ticket touting is widely hated (much like domaining), it’s not illegal.

“Getting back to the thrust of the issue,” Hayward says, thankfully, “what Nominet really needs to do is to devote a few more resources into ironing out any loopholes in the current system. If there were no back doors, no ways to ‘cheat’ the system ... then it's one possible fair system - amateurs (non-domain specialists such as small business owners and individuals) get some names at little cost or effort (through the drop catchers) and those willing to invest massive resources and funds (the pros - the near-fulltime drop catchers and domain investors) get more, because they put in more... and that's how it should be. It's called capitalism!”

This is quite a persuasive argument, putting the ball firmly in Nominet’s court. In the document I quoted yesterday, Nominet’s Emily Taylor said: “Nominet is expending significant resources in dealing with dropcatching, which is disproportionate to the percentage of our registrars who are engaged in this activity. We would prefer to focus resources on programmes which will benefit the majority of registrars.”

But given that Nominet is asking what it should do with its cash reserves, I don’t see why anyone should feel that funds allocated to enforcing the rules on dropcatching would not be money well spent. If Nominet can afford to close the loopholes, and it can, it has a duty to do so.

Finally, Hayward argues against a sealed bid system for suspended domains: “It means that the amateurs will get nothing since all the good names will be scooped up by those with the deepest pockets. This may be ‘fairer’ - and that is arguable - but I am positive it will be perceived externally as being even less fair than the current situation.”

I’m not as positive about this as Hayward. As he observes, the most successful dropcatchers are currently those who spend the most on their software and hardware and then sell caught domains on at market rates to those that can afford them. That's two sets of deep pockets standing between punters and lapsed domains.

It may be that there is no fair system, but I’m pleased that Nominet is at least looking for one.

Comments

Not even Verisign could get a sealed bid system past ICANN:
http://icannwiki.org/Central_Listing_Service_-_CLS

Notice it has disappeared from their website? I would also checkout the litigation on the Icann website (VGRS Wait-Listing Service):
http://www.icann.org/correspondence/issue-index.htm

Also checkout the Nominet voting allocation of companies like Tagnames:
http://www.nic.uk/digitalAssets/17255_BoardElection21March07short.pdf

So how will Nominet get a waiting list past it's members which effectively wipes out their business model?

Also a sealed bid system is fundamentally floored anyway because domainers:

1. Will continue to use the DAC anyway to find out what good names are dropping (the average person in the street doesn't know what is dropping).

2. Domainers are the ones with the deepest pockets willing to invest in domain names.

Check out the domainer that bought fly.co.uk for 87k and recycle.co.uk for 150k:

http://www.sedo.com/links/showhtml.php3?Id=1521&language=us

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/09/earecycle109.xml

Dropcatchers will become waiting listers!

Also....

A lottery or a first come first serve backorder system wouldn't work either.

Just as with linked DAC subscriptions speculators would get their friends and family to buy tickets. Or someone with a good droplist would backorder everything.

Finally...

Anyone can start dropcatching and everyone is subject to the DRS policy.

Any Nominet member can get a DAC subscription for £25 + VAT:
http://www.nic.uk/other/dac/

Even your friend Mr Ostashko with three strikes for similar generic domains:
http://www.nic.uk/disputes/drs/decisions/3cases/

And every user of the DAC is subject to the AUP policy:
"The maximum query rate is 1,000 queries per rolling 60 seconds recalculated every 5 seconds and a maximum of 432,000 per rolling 24 hours, recalculated every five minutes".

It is up to Nominet to enforce this rule.

The problem is some large registrars use DAC lookups to run domain search pages for public use http://www.123-reg.co.uk which the DAC was intended for.

However because small members usually only look after their own domain names they can use all their DAC allocation on dropcatching.

So...

Maybe Nominet should look at linking the number of DAC lookups to the number of domain names you have.

Or maybe Nominet should limit the number of lookups on a single domain name to 1000 per 24 hours.

Most important of all is to preserve the Nominet policy of first come first serve - otherwise all names like lem.co.uk will end up in the High court. How could Nominet make money from lem.co.uk if Lem.com had it trademarked?

I’m stunned ITWeek allows such blatantly ill-informed, un-moderated rants which cannot be described as journalism suitable for daily tabloid newspapers.

[This is my blog, it's full of my unmoderated rants. - Lem]

Capitalist economic systems, in which privately owned organizations operate for profit, within your analogy equates to all capitalist organization being ticket tout’. On receiving remuneration for employment, ask yourself, “am I a tout?” a product of the capitalist system soliciting in an importune manner.

Nominet are risk aversive, changing the system to sell “domain names” which their T & C argue is an “entry in a database” does not equate with that strategy. If you examined the most high profile case of domain theft, you would understand the risk of corporate survival.

>> So I can't really see where the analogy breaks down.

The analogy breaks just outside of the author's rant-cloud: ticket touts are buying to re-sell and will use unsold tickets as paper urges.

Drop-catchers compete for fun and profit, using their skills (more advanced than web browser, alarm clock and credit card) and dedication.
Every good domain caught is a medal.
A medal to keep, develop or sell. This is up to the owner to decide.

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